GET EDUCATED, or our beaches will soon be gone.
Don’t blow it off! This is serious. And URGENT.
This 14-minute video shows:
- the REAL cause of erosion
- the effects of erosion around our area
- an outline of our recommended choice for creating a permanent, naturally sustainable beach and dune system right here in Flagler county.
Thanks, to everyone for posting recently. Everyone is busy these days. However, it is one thing to know the truth about a subject and another thing to take your time to share your knowledge to help others know the truth. Larry, you are the first person to talk about the river going into the big lake in south Florida. I have a friend who had a rather big cattle ranch down there and he saw…. first hand what the Corps was doing down there. Now, they are trying somewhat to put it back the way they found it. What a waste of time of taxpayer’s money….not to mention all the negative environmental issues they caused. Can anyone STOP them….or stop Congress from giving them funding and never making them accountable for their disasters?? HELP! Ruth Hellerman
I have followed coastal environmental issues for over a decade. In that time, I have discovered only one method which is proven to be successful, environmentally sound and sustainable: Holmberg Technologies. This proof includes unversity research, numerous professional monitoring reports and over 30 years of empirical evidence, the most important science test.
Unfortunately, I have heard our very own officials (federal and state), those charged with protecting our coastal resources, literally lie about Holmberg’s success. This is almost always in efforts to promote traditional engineering processes or the very lucrative dredging programs. Dredging, having often caused the much of the unnatural erosion now occurring along our shoreline, is then paid again and again to “fix” this manmade environmental problem. These methods are counterproductive and beach “nourishment” is really a starvation diet for both our beaches and our public funds.
There is no question that Holmberg’s method’s work. The physical laws of science being somewhat established for gravity, etc., Holmberg’s reduction of wave/current energies to induce the accretion of indigenous sediment (those which would have naturally be found on that section of coastline) occurs in fresh or salt water, sea-size lakes or Mideastern gulfs or oceans. The Great Lakes are noted for their hurricane force storms which can last for days not hours as do those in Florida. Ice floes can literally bulldoze the shoreline removing the beach and dunes. Yet, Holmberg’s work remains and continues to build the shoreline after decades.
In many way we are losing our coastlines to greed, not erosion. This can only occur when concerned citizens are kept ignorant of the causes of this erosion and alternatives to prevent it. Most coastal erosion is now a manmade environmental problem. As such, we must mitigate it as we would any other manmade environmental problem. Retreat is not a rational response: we are losing habitat, not just expensive real estate. We must, however, employ methods shown to be effective, environmentally sound and sustainable. To date, Holmbeg remains the only method with any long-term documentation to accomplish this.
Dear Mary Lou,
I understand what you mean about wanting everything tested and certified successful before trying it ourselves. . . Wow, wouldn’tthat be terrific if life was that way! BUT, what progress would have been made in medicine (for example) if everyone refused to be the FIRST patient to save their own lives by trying a new treatment? We would still be living in the dark ages, in every way, if no one agreed to best the “first” to try a new way to improve the life of human beings on this planet. Instead of living in fear and expecting failure, what if Holmberg Technologies were successful in rebuilding our dunes, just as they were in multiple sites around stormy lake Michigan and Saudia Arabia? Why shouldn’t the community of Flagler Beach take a tiny chance and embrace the very real possibility of successful, permanent, environmentally friendly coastal restoration?
Think of it this way, doing nothing would mean certain death of our entire community. Yet, NO other successful options have been presented. The Army Corps of Engineers standard methods of attack, armoring (sea walls) and dredging, have proven again and again to not only be failures but undisputable scientific evidence shows those methods actually contribute to increased shoreline erosion.
In my mind, we have everything to gain and nothing to loose by trying the Holmberg system. If, indeed, you can present a completely successful “tried and true” alternative . . . one that is guaranteed to solve our problem of coastal erosion, we would all be very interested to learn about it. As I noted before, I am not willing to just let our village be taken by the sea simply because I’m afraid to try something new.
Dear Mary Lou,
You may have had the best of intentions by your suggestion of moving A1A to Old King’s road. BUT, please, think this through and realize that such a solution would result in the complete death of the village of Flagler Beach. All the seaside small/family owned shops, motels and restaurants would be put out of business. . . in favor of yet another strip center along Old King’s road filled with the same old chain enterprises. Flagler Beach is unique in that it is one of the last small beach towns left in Florida. Many others have been dredged, bulldozed, destroyed (“redeveloped”) and what remains are souless high rises and shops/restaurants only the rich and famous can afford. Again, the middle class squeezed out!
In addition, the exisiting roadbed for A1A would still need to be kept structurally sound so that the few remaining residents (the ones that couldn’t sell after the town dissappeared) could access their homes. So the problem of supporting that highway would not be solved anyway.
It would be interesting to know where you currently reside. . . different perspectives may come into play here.
Actually I live 2 blocks from the ocean, and I’ve been watching the dunes dissappear for 40 years now with the promise that the beach would renourish itself…just not happening anymore. We used to drive up and down the beaches of Flagler, can’t even hardly stand on the dunewalkovers during high tide with the waves crashing on the dune walkovers. Whether it’s from man or nature, it doesn’t matter, the ocean is trying to take A1A in spite of all efforts to save it. Just saying. Can we get our money back if the underwater stabilizers don’t work?
Yes, the Wave Whisperer has neighbors who have lived in town for a long time, too. They were avid surfers, and say they remember when there was a whole beautiful dune system leading down to a wonderful broad beach. And the ocean WANTS to continue building the beach–but the big holes and trenches the dredging has created under the water won’t let it. So don’t blame the ocean!
As to getting our money back, think about it: When sea walls, breakwaters, dredging, etc. don’t do any good, do you ever hear a cry to get our money back? All the methods take huge amounts of money, and none has ever worked. At least Undercurrent Stabilizers have a track record of success–and they cost a fraction of the other methods. But don’t worry. Once they’re in, they’ll work. And they’ll continue working. Not only will you be able to stand on your dune walkover, you’ll probably need to extend it!
I’d feel alot better if the undercurrent stabilizers were tested in an ocean and not gulfs and lakes. I’m not feeling the confidence that you are feeling especially without ocean testing over a long period of recent history. Sorry, we can’t afford to lose on this one.
Do you work for the Army Corps of Engineers or the FL Dept of Transport Marylou? Your questions and the way they are asked sound like those we have heard before from some who do not want anything but dredging and dumping sand.
If you read our website you will find before and after pictures of an ocean installation of Undercurrent Stabilizers. The results were amazing! What more do you want?
First, there are VERY big waves on Lake Michigan, Marylou. VERY big. In winter, they are ICE WAVES. Plus they are fresh water waves, which means they are less buoyant and therefore can carry less sand than ocean waves. And don’t sell the Arabian Gulf short, either. There are extremely powerful currents and waves there.
Second, a kind of ‘test’ is what we’re asking for. Not a whole Flagler County shoreline, but a one-mile demonstration, so it can be shown that Undercurrent Stabilizers truly perform as advertised. After all, what’s the alternative? More sea walls? More dredging? Moving A1A and abandoning Flagler Beach (which you suggested)? A few million dollars is pockjet change in the scheme of things–especially since MORE than a few million is being spent on the Army Corps of Engineers’ “study,” which produces nothing but nice incomes for a bunch of 9-to-5ers and will do zilch to expand or even protect our beach. Good luck getting any of THAT back!
Has marylou not been paying attention?
It has been acknowledged by all coastal agencies that shorelline erosion is NOT caused by nature,
but by the dredging of inlets and harbors for navigational purposes.
Moving roads and structures back from the coast does not “let nature take its course,” but lets
the dredgers and coastal enginees have their way.
There IS a way to HELP nature regain its natural course–and that is to install Undercurrent Stabilizes.
This has been proved time and again.
Get up to speed, Marylou! You can be part of the solution!
Marylou needs to do more research. She is misguided. If what she proposes would ever happen, hope she has her wallet ready. I don’t think she has any idea as what her proposal would cost. She and the “Wave Whisperer” need to have more discussions to bring her up to date.
The best thing to do is to move A1A to Old Kings Road. A1A could be local traffic only until it becomes impassable.
They could consider using the roadway for pedestrian traffic or just remove it and rejuvenate the dune. The oceans are rising, the climate is changing and throwing huge amounts of dollars and time makes no sense at all. Let nature take it’s course without yet even more interference by man.
I think it is well worth a one mile test. The only question I have is this: After the stabilizers are buried…and they are buried deeper and deeper over time by nature, will they eventually be too deep to be effective?
This idea should be presented to the city and the people should make it known that it’s time to take a positive and proactive step toward solving the problem.
Tim
Tim,
The beach and dunes will keep on building until Mother Nature decides to stop! Building land along shorelines (accretion) is a natural process that would be happening today if Man had not [1] interfered with the natural flow of rivers by dredging them out, causing them to run faster and carry the soil/silt deposits further out to sea, and [2] built jetties and seawalls that divert ocean currents, taking the sand deposits with them, and more…
Of course this is a simplification, but to answer your question more directly: “no”.
I highly recommend that you (and everyone else reading this) watch an 8-minute PBS video on YouTube that will shock you, about how much land is being lost DAILY at the Mississippi Delta for this very reason: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVRhSKnh3gw
Faced with either doing nothing or spending millions that, in all probability, will be futile, what is the logical choice? What is the ethical choice? Should not the decision to use Holmberg Technologies by citizens who have spent long hours and personal money on study and inquiry be considered? The voices of those striving to save Flagler Beach are a wakeup call to those who stand on the sidelines and let others make wrong decisions about their money and their beach!
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Your comments are so valid and very much appreciated. Thank you for taking the time to speak out about the truth of this technology. Ruth Hellerman
It is time to allow this system to show its potential results, on it’s own. A one mile test will prove that underwater stabilizers are the natural restoration solution. The proof is in the photos of similiar success as shown in the video. Give it a chance to prove that the US Army Corp of Engineers are wrong and wasteful.
Sounds like a very worthwhile trial. You did not give a cost. Was this presented to Gov. Scott when he was here?
We had a condo on Crescent Beach for 35 years, 1973-2008, built in the day when you could build on the first dune. We had a small seawall at the beach line with no dune. Today that seawall is completely covered by a high dune and the walkway has been moved to accomodate the dune several times over the years. At one time there was even a second dune. When St. Augustine beach lost sand it came into Crescent Beach. It is my understanding that the dredging for the St. Augustine inlet many years ago started the decline of sand at St. Augustine Beach. And how about the deposit of sand over the past two years south of Matanzas Inlet? They finally let the ocean breach the dune insteading of pouring sand onto the beach as they had done for years. I know all this has to do with what man does many miles away in the inlets and other waterways. I hope you are studying all that shift of sand and why it happens. It that case, sand was added. It seems like your one mile study is alot better than moving a road or adding more sand again. Good luck. I will write a letter or sign any petition. Barbara Knight
Yes Barbara, a package of information was given to Gov. Scott, and also to Sen. Thrasher.
As to cost, a paltry $2.5m (a grain of sand on the wasted federal funds beach) will give us a one-mile demonstration project to prove to all that Undercurrent Stabilizers will work. Compare that to the $6.2m FDOT wants to spend for just 600 feet of seawall, which will only make the situation worse!
To put it another way, FDOT’s “solution” costs over $10,000 per foot (plus new sand every 3-5 years), while the Undercurrent Stabilizers cost is only $475 per foot with ZERO ongoing cost.
It’s no wonder the dredging industry and their lobbyists, and many government bodies (including the US Army Corps of Engineers) do everything they can to try to stop Holmberg — their job security and enormous wealth from taxpayer funds are at risk.
Terry, “Capt. Nick”, etc. I was just talking to Sandi-she suggested I go to this website(I have on my own “viewed”
what you, Terry, have been up to- including others who have contributed to this worthwhile cause. ) I must commend
you and others in this “polished version” of what we presented 6 years ago to numerous orgs. Needless to say, I was
a passionate follower – but as you know our attempts fell on mostly deaf ears. Again, we need to educate more people
of this fact of erosion and technology to solve our problem. Pray God this time THEY WILL LISTEN AND TAKE ACTIOM
TO SAVE FLAGLER’S BEACH. Thank God for you- Hope to see you on Friday at First Friday- I shall be there – Fran